Moral behavior in animals | Frans de Waal

I was born in Den Bosch, where the painter Hieronymus Bosch
named himself after. And I’ve always been very fond
of this painter who lived and worked in the 15th century. And what is interesting about him
in relation to morality is that he lived at a time
where religion’s influence was waning, and he was sort of wondering, I think, what would happen with society
if there was no religion or if there was less religion. And so he painted this famous painting,
“The Garden of Earthly Delights,” which some have interpreted
as being humanity before the Fall, or being humanity without any Fall at all. And so it makes you wonder, what would happen if we hadn’t tasted
the fruit of knowledge, so to speak, and what kind of morality would we have. Much later, as a student,
I went to a very different garden, a zoological garden in Arnhem
where we keep chimpanzees. This is me at an early age
with a baby chimpanzee. (Laughter) And I discovered there that the chimpanzees are very power-hungry
and wrote a book about it. And at that time the focus
in a lot of animal research was on aggression and competition. I painted a whole picture
of the animal kingdom and humanity included, was that deep down
we are competitors, we are aggressive, we are all out
for our own profit, basically. This is the launch of my book. I’m not sure how well
the chimpanzees read it, but they surely seemed
interested in the book. (Laughter) Now in the process of doing all this work on power and dominance
and aggression and so on, I discovered that chimpanzees
reconcile after fights. And so what you see here
is two males who have had a fight. They ended up in a tree, and one of them
holds out a hand to the other. And about a second
after I took the picture, they came together in the fork of the tree and kissed and embraced each other. And this is very interesting because at the time, everything
was about competition and aggression, so it wouldn’t make any sense. The only thing that matters
is that you win or you lose. But why reconcile after a fight?
That doesn’t make any sense. This is the way bonobos do it.
Bonobos do everything with sex. And so they also reconcile with sex. But the principle is exactly the same. The principle is that you have
a valuable relationship that is damaged by conflict,
so you need to do something about it. So my whole picture of the animal kingdom,
and including humans also, started to change at that time. So we have this image in political
science, economics, the humanities, the philosophy for that matter,
that man is a wolf to man. And so deep down,
our nature is actually nasty. I think it’s a very unfair
image for the wolf. The wolf is, after all,
a very cooperative animal. And that’s why many of you
have a dog at home, which has all these characteristics also. And it’s really unfair to humanity, because humanity is actually
much more cooperative and empathic than given credit for. So I started getting
interested in those issues and studying that in other animals. So these are the pillars of morality. If you ask anyone,
“What is morality based on?” these are the two factors
that always come out. One is reciprocity, and associated with it is a sense
of justice and a sense of fairness. And the other one is empathy
and compassion. And human morality is more than this,
but if you would remove these two pillars, there would be not much
remaining, I think. So they’re absolutely essential. So let me give you a few examples here. This is a very old video
from the Yerkes Primate Center, where they trained
chimpanzees to cooperate. So this is already
about a hundred years ago that we were doing
experiments on cooperation. What you have here is two
young chimpanzees who have a box, and the box is too heavy
for one chimp to pull in. And of course, there’s food on the box. Otherwise they wouldn’t
be pulling so hard. And so they’re bringing in the box. And you can see that they’re synchronized. You can see that they work together,
they pull at the same moment. It’s already a big advance
over many other animals who wouldn’t be able to do that. Now you’re going to get
a more interesting picture, because now one
of the two chimps has been fed. So one of the two is not really interested
in the task anymore. (Laughter) (Laughter) (Laughter) [- and sometimes appears to convey
its wishes and meanings by gestures.] Now look at what happens
at the very end of this. (Laughter) He takes basically everything. (Laughter) There are two interesting
parts about this. One is that the chimp on the right has a full understanding
he needs the partner — so a full understanding
of the need for cooperation. The second one is that the partner
is willing to work even though he’s not
interested in the food. Why would that be? Well, that probably
has to do with reciprocity. There’s actually a lot of evidence
in primates and other animals that they return favors. He will get a return favor
at some point in the future. And so that’s how this all operates. We do the same task with elephants. Now, it’s very dangerous
to work with elephants. Another problem with elephants
is that you cannot make an apparatus that is too heavy for a single elephant. Now you can probably make it, but it’s going to be a pretty
clumsy apparatus, I think. And so what we did in that case — we do these studies in Thailand
for Josh Plotnik — is we have an apparatus around which
there is a rope, a single rope. And if you pull on this side of the rope,
the rope disappears on the other side. So two elephants need to pick it up
at exactly the same time, and pull. Otherwise nothing is going to happen
and the rope disappears. The first tape you’re going to see is two elephants who are released together
arrive at the apparatus. The apparatus is on the left,
with food on it. And so they come together,
they arrive together, they pick it up together,
and they pull together. So it’s actually fairly simple for them. There they are. So that’s how they bring it in. But now we’re going to make it
more difficult. Because the purpose of this experiment is to see how well
they understand cooperation. Do they understand that as well
as the chimps, for example? What we do in the next step is we release
one elephant before the other and that elephant needs to be smart enough to stay there and wait
and not pull at the rope — because if he pulls at the rope,
it disappears and the whole test is over. Now this elephant does something illegal
that we did not teach it. But it shows the understanding he has, because he puts his big foot on the rope, stands on the rope
and waits there for the other, and then the other is going
to do all the work for him. So it’s what we call freeloading. (Laughter) But it shows the intelligence
that the elephants have. They developed several
of these alternative techniques that we did not approve of, necessarily. (Laughter) So the other elephant is now coming … and is going to pull it in. Now look at the other;
it doesn’t forget to eat, of course. (Laughter) This was the cooperation
and reciprocity part. Now something on empathy. Empathy is my main topic
at the moment, of research. And empathy has two qualities: One is the understanding part of it. This is just a regular definition: the ability to understand and share
the feelings of another. And the emotional part. Empathy has basically two channels:
One is the body channel, If you talk with a sad person, you’re going to adopt
a sad expression and a sad posture, and before you know it, you feel sad. And that’s sort of the body channel
of emotional empathy, which many animals have. Your average dog has that also. That’s why people keep mammals in the home and not turtles or snakes
or something like that, who don’t have that kind of empathy. And then there’s a cognitive channel, which is more that you can take
the perspective of somebody else. And that’s more limited. Very few animals, I think elephants
and apes, can do that kind of thing. So synchronization, which is part of that whole
empathy mechanism, is a very old one in the animal kingdom. In humans, of course,
we can study that with yawn contagion. Humans yawn when others yawn. And it’s related to empathy. It activates the same areas in the brain. Also, we know that people
who have a lot of yawn contagion are highly empathic. People who have problems with empathy,
such as autistic children, they don’t have yawn contagion. So it is connected. And we study that in our chimpanzees
by presenting them with an animated head. So that’s what you see on the upper-left,
an animated head that yawns. And there’s a chimpanzee watching, an actual real chimpanzee
watching a computer screen on which we play these animations. (Laughter) So yawn contagion
that you’re probably all familiar with — and maybe you’re going
to start yawning soon now — is something that we share
with other animals. And that’s related to that whole
body channel of synchronization that underlies empathy, and that is universal
in the mammals, basically. We also study more complex expressions —
This is consolation. This is a male chimpanzee
who has lost a fight and he’s screaming, and a juvenile comes over
and puts an arm around him and calms him down. That’s consolation. It’s very similar to human consolation. And consolation behavior — (Laughter) it’s empathy driven. Actually, the way to study
empathy in human children is to instruct a family member
to act distressed, and then to see what young children do. And so it is related to empathy, and that’s the kind
of expressions we look at. We also recently published an experiment
you may have heard about. It’s on altruism and chimpanzees, where the question is: Do chimpanzees care
about the welfare of somebody else? And for decades it had been assumed
that only humans can do that, that only humans worry
about the welfare of somebody else. Now we did a very simple experiment. We do that on chimpanzees
that live in Lawrenceville, in the field station of Yerkes. And so that’s how they live. And we call them into a room
and do experiments with them. In this case, we put
two chimpanzees side-by-side, and one has a bucket full of tokens,
and the tokens have different meanings. One kind of token feeds
only the partner who chooses, the other one feeds both of them. So this is a study we did
with Vicki Horner. And here, you have the two color tokens. So they have a whole bucket full of them. And they have to pick
one of the two colors. You will see how that goes. So if this chimp makes the selfish choice, which is the red token in this case, he needs to give it to us, we pick it up, we put it on a table
where there’s two food rewards, but in this case, only the one
on the right gets food. The one on the left walks away
because she knows already that this is not a good test for her. Then the next one is the pro-social token. So the one who makes the choices —
that’s the interesting part here — for the one who makes the choices,
it doesn’t really matter. So she gives us now a pro-social
token and both chimps get fed. So the one who makes the choices
always gets a reward. So it doesn’t matter whatsoever. And she should actually
be choosing blindly. But what we find is that they prefer
the pro-social token. So this is the 50 percent line,
that’s the random expectation. And especially if the partner draws
attention to itself, they choose more. And if the partner
puts pressure on them — so if the partner starts spitting water
and intimidating them — then the choices go down. (Laughter) It’s as if they’re saying, “If you’re not behaving,
I’m not going to be pro-social today.” And this is what happens
without a partner, when there’s no partner sitting there. So we found that the chimpanzees do care
about the well-being of somebody else — especially, these are other members
of their own group. So the final experiment
that I want to mention to you is our fairness study. And so this became a very famous study. And there are now many more, because after we did this
about 10 years ago, it became very well-known. And we did that originally
with Capuchin monkeys. And I’m going to show you
the first experiment that we did. It has now been done
with dogs and with birds and with chimpanzees. But with Sarah Brosnan,
we started out with Capuchin monkeys. So what we did is we put
two Capuchin monkeys side-by-side. Again, these animals, live in a group,
they know each other. We take them out of the group,
put them in a test chamber. And there’s a very simple task
that they need to do. And if you give both of them
cucumber for the task, the two monkeys side-by-side, they’re perfectly willing
to do this 25 times in a row. So cucumber, even though
it’s only really water in my opinion, but cucumber is perfectly fine for them. Now if you give the partner grapes — the food preferences
of my Capuchin monkeys correspond exactly with the prices
in the supermarket — and so if you give them grapes —
it’s a far better food — then you create inequity between them. So that’s the experiment we did. Recently, we videotaped it
with new monkeys who’d never done the task, thinking that maybe they would have
a stronger reaction, and that turned out to be right. The one on the left is the monkey
who gets cucumber. The one on the right
is the one who gets grapes. The one who gets cucumber — note that the first piece
of cucumber is perfectly fine. The first piece she eats. Then she sees the other one getting grape,
and you will see what happens. So she gives a rock to us.
That’s the task. And we give her a piece
of cucumber and she eats it. The other one needs to give a rock to us. And that’s what she does. And she gets a grape … and eats it. The other one sees that. She gives a rock to us now, gets, again, cucumber. (Laughter) (Laughter ends) She tests a rock now against the wall. She needs to give it to us. And she gets cucumber again. (Laughter) So this is basically
the Wall Street protest that you see here. (Laughter) (Applause) I still have two minutes left — let me tell you a funny story about this. This study became very famous
and we got a lot of comments, especially anthropologists,
economists, philosophers. They didn’t like this at all. Because they had decided
in their minds, I believe, that fairness is a very complex issue,
and that animals cannot have it. And so one philosopher even wrote us that it was impossible that monkeys
had a sense of fairness because fairness was invented
during the French Revolution. (Laughter) And another one wrote a whole chapter saying that he would believe
it had something to do with fairness, if the one who got grapes
would refuse the grapes. Now the funny thing is that Sarah Brosnan,
who’s been doing this with chimpanzees, had a couple of combinations
of chimpanzees where, indeed, the one
who would get the grape would refuse the grape
until the other guy also got a grape. So we’re getting very close
to the human sense of fairness. And I think philosophers need
to rethink their philosophy for a while. So let me summarize. I believe there’s an evolved morality. I think morality is much more
than what I’ve been talking about, but it would be impossible
without these ingredients that we find in other primates, which are empathy and consolation, pro-social tendencies and reciprocity
and a sense of fairness. And so we work on these particular issues to see if we can create a morality
from the bottom up, so to speak, without necessarily
god and religion involved, and to see how we can get
to an evolved morality. And I thank you for your attention. (Applause)

Comments 100

  • Can we please get an hour+ of him commenting on this kind of studies. This is great and funny

  • why are no cetaceans even mentioned? otherwise interesting

  • I am astounded by the narrow-mindedness of these "scientists". Just because you see the monkey at the end refusing the cucumber you don't HAVE TO conclude that it stems from a sense of feeling being treated unfairly. Why would you close your mind to all other possibilities? Especially the obvious one, that it simply became aware that there is another possible reward, and he refuses the cucumber because he would prefer the grapes. This is simple to test, any idiot can think of a control test. Just do the experiment with one monkey and one bowl of reward, cucumbers. Then put a bowl of grapes next to it, and next give a grape as a reward. I will bet you that after that it will keep throwing back the cucumber because it will want the grapes. No need to give an explanation that isn't really there.

    What baffles me though, is why they didn't give the yummy grapes first, and then keep offering one the grapes but switch the reward for the other one to a nut. Would the graper refuse, demanding to try the new snack, or would the nutter revolt, demanding the yummy grapes again. It is sad to see that science is driven by wishful thinking and the "results" are simply stuff they want to see, or at least, their interpretations are flawed and they do not test for alternative explanations.

  • since 2012 morality and empathy are at an all time low and now many many people can be more likened to snakes and crocodiles

  • When did Bill Gates get a European accent

  • Are animals sadistic?

  • Humans trying to figure out morality from animal behavioural experiments? The great Enlightenment doesn't appear to have taught us much, in fact, it seems to have shed more darkness on us than light.

    You ought to have given one of the chimps a knife and learned your morality from what it did with the tool. If he didn't stick it in his friend's chest, then it is obvious that chimps have evolved morality and learned from the ancient wisdom of their primordial soup, "Thou shalt not murder".

  • Philosophers may have a point about fairness, which is a more abstract concept or principle than the perception of being short-changed and the attendant angry protest. Envy as a response is more primary than the sense of fairness. The principle of equality expresses the insight that every member should receive the same reward for the same effort, with the awareness that the failure to secure this right undermines group cohesion. Envy is the precursor of the idea of fairness or the sense of justice, which we consider moral and even noble. No envious individual ever feels justice has been done. Yet no one considers envy, so inextricably entwined with the principle of equity, to be noble. Envy is the dark energy of social life, and its avoidance is one of the primary motivations for morality and the rule of law (see Helmut Schoeck's classic study Envy: a Theory of Social Behavior).

  • why does this only have 1.3 million views?

  • If at the beginning of an encounter on individual is sad, the other happy, will both become happy or sad?

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  • I would have done the same! Throw the cucumber back at the researcher!
    Equal work = Equal pay!

  • what happens to the monkeys when they are done with the experiments? considering this was a study regarding fairness, were they retired to a good place to live out their natural lives, or reintroduced into the wild? or are they euthanized, after they show us they know what fairness means?
    are we going to start treating animals them fairly now that we know they know fairness? if not, what is the point of the experiment? "that it hasnt been done before, and I have to do my dissertation on something and we have funding" is usually the answer. there are these little 'cute' studies that are more like games, and there are the studies that psychologically destroy the animals – like isolation tank studies. or learned helplessness studies with dogs on electric floors. or head trauma studies with primates. symbolic attemps have been made to get rid of the worst of the most sadistic stuff. the animal experimentation industry is big money, and its harrowing, obscured, and very well explained in Animal Liberation by Peter Singer. its dark, but its a good read.
    if the the animals are not euthanised, but rehomed, and they have good habitats, il eat my words.

  • I am not a beast. Stay away from me if you are. You can do what want as long as you stay away from me. They made this crap up. This is a fake video. Thank God I know better. Truly evil.

  • lol at 13.17 the guy is clearly asleep

  • How do you explain, with the pro-choice/selfish coins, that when the chimp is alone the rate Is around 30/70 ? Why isn't it 50/50?

    Frans de waal seems to like himself a lot, he doesn't know a clue about philosophy but is telling philosophers what they should do…

  • Some of these monkeys have VERY Trump-like expressions while being jerks, and having the republican symbol do the same thing only adds to the unintended joke, LOL.

  • The pillars of morality are reciprocity and empathy? They are just feelings. What happened to logic and reason that we have to probe how we feel in order to make moral decisions?

  • Our human arrogance has doom a planet filled with sentient feeling creatures.

  • Watching this video while watching a hockey game. A fight just broke out (reactive aggression). Still no reconciliation, but they're from different teams.

  • what bout making the cumber round and red

  • If he was an alpha male human child, he would have known early on that tussling boys often become friends, regardless the winner or loser. They both gain respect for being brave enough to fight, especially given to the weaker by the stronger.
    . . . You conflate all philosophers with socialists. Interesting vid. Thanks!

  • Wauw fascinating and thought provoking

  • 12:13 Place a human in the not deciding cage. Will the chimp show social behaviour?

    Switch place with the chimp after that and show /don't show compassion.
    Switch again, what are the results now?

    So many possibilities, test them please.


  • Fairness was realised during French Revolution?
    Then why did the Spartans fought against the Persians? For fun I guess!

  • Wow. So basically in order to be more kind we have to be less human.

  • This makes me wonder if someone is testing us humans

  • 13:17

  • This just proves that "philosophy" is just bullcrap, not worth calling it science.

  • What if the monkeys could both choose between an easy task and a hard task?
    Easy task=Cucumber Hard task=Grape
    If one monkey did the hard task to get grapes, would the other get mad that they didn't get grapes for doing the easy task?

  • I yawned when they showed the image of humans yawning!

  • This is why organized religion was created, to convince the ones being treated unfairly that it does not matter, because a bigger reward will be waiting for them in heaven.


  • 13:42 why he is sleeping? who is this guy?

  • When you lie you becomes evil, when you forgive you becomes good. And when you sacrifice you atone for your mistakes. Anything in this world but human are capable of such spiritual acts. Don't humiliate yourself.

  • The dislikes are from the Capuchins that didn't get the grapes

  • 7:57 the elephants kinda look like big puppies it’s cute

  • Please show all the religious fanatic morons this who still think that human beings are special snowflakes compared to the rest of the animal kingdom

  • "We have this image … that 'man is a wolf to man', so deep down our nature is actually nasty." [2:40] Which is true, provided you accept the other side of this 'Romulus-Remus' coin: "The strength of the pack is the wolf AND the strength of the wolf is the pack" [Kipling] The 'good' leader shares the kill & protects the cubs or gets deposed. Ape leaders likewise must 'bring home the bacon'. (chimp hunt )

  • Jordan Peterson dislike this video

  • If only Christopher Hitchens had lived

  • Ohh great thats why im vegan too.

  • excellent +sub

  • Really well done by the animals. I don't like how the animals are caged and laughed at like toys, sadly that's part of the way scientists treat animals.

    Of course animals understand fairness and respect. Animals are much more intelligent than people give them credit for, in many ways animals are more intelligent than people. For those people and scientists who think they are above animals in the evolutionary scale, again they sadly mistaken. Evolution is non-linear and people are simply egoistical per usual.

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  • The hostility paradigm or myth promoted by the bourgeois class was designed to justify capitalism and to keep the proletariat at odds with one another so as not to unite in the interest of the collective

  • I disdain when westerners classify all humans collectively. Europeans have believed these myths about the animal kingdom. Not all people. I have lived in the jungles of South America and have interacted with many wild animals and know how compassionate they can be.

  • God is inherently in us even if you don't believe yet…

  • jordan peterson must see this video!

  • Essas palestras da TED são normalmente muito bons, algumas são excelentes e este cai nessa última categoria. Essa foi espetacular por três motivos, o primeiro é o tema que é bem interessante, o segundo é a habilidade de demonstrar as premissas do autor com vídeos de animais. O terceiro foi o humor que cativa a atenção e a gente relaxa ao mesmo tempo em que reflete e aprende.

  • Why do scientist always have the goal of proving God has nothing to do with morality, or more to the point morality is a function of totally social animals therefore God is dead. Sheez! Try proving that God didn’t instill these attributes in the first place. Science can REVEAL God and NOT be in conflict with each other. One doesn’t HAVE TO cancel out the other. Why make it a competition?

  • The video is great, plenty of useful knowledge. I deeply regret that for us to have the knowledge, we have to have animals slaved.
    I'm sure we will develope better ways to study animal behaviour without having them on cages. At least, I hope so.

  • The animated yawning chimp made me yawn too 😮

  • Isn’t it pushing it to call this “fairness”? That chimp doesn’t want a grape just because the other got a grape. She wants it because she knows it’s a possibility and likes them better. It’s not an equality response. If you give a kid carrot sticks but he sees ice cream sitting on the table, he’ll want ice cream instead. It’s not not about being fair with the table.

  • Just started watching… please tell me I'm not going to have to watch a squirrel money throw a grape out of a cage, like every other f * ing Ted talk while the sterile middle class audience titter

  • I loved this video! Of course animals feel emotions just like we do!!

  • 326 philosophers disliked this video.

  • Oh my gosh!!! The cucumbergrape thing was hilarious!!

  • Even more proof that we don't need morality to be dictated by a man-made, Bronze age, myth called christianity. God ain't real. We have morality within. Evolution gave us that.

  • What was 13:41? Subtle cut to someone sleeping

  • Wonderful for a non-1st-language English speaker….. doesn't put pathetic on the end of empathy, making it empathetic. That's pathetic, really, when people do that. Yeah, I know. Off topic. Don't you just hate it when people are so domn pedantic about English and Grammar?

  • I thought that the grape chimp would trade half a cucumber for half a grape

  • James 1:27. KJV old Scofield Study Bible. Jesus showed us what religon is. How did religon become what is today? Pay is an evil man made thing. God made free. Of every tree you may freely eat.

  • I don't see the purpose nor necessity of this experiment. Everyday you can see animals cooperating or helping one another out. This just strikes me as being another pointless data gathering experiment. I would call it cruel save for the fact that no animals are getting hurt.

  • I just finished his book "Primates and Philosophers" and, as a student of biology and philosophy, it was amazing. I really want to work in ethology when I graduate. It has the perfect conditions for biology and philosophy to work together. This book illustrates a lot about morality and about how it is time for science to take charge of matters that, at first sight, do not correspond to investigate.

  • It saddens me to see these wild creatures in cages!  We can learn much more from studying animals in THEIR natural environments – it's called:"ethology'!

  • If you put animals on welfare they become violent. They have no self worth, only despair and self loathing.

  • Youtube comments are full of amusements sometimes….

  • i wonder if the "equality token" was chosen if there was a different species of animal in the other cage…

  • This is the central thrust of the works of Peter Kropotkin, a late 19th-century scientist and philosopher whose works "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" (1902) and "Ethics: Origins and Development" (1922) lay out a concrete case for evolved morality — although he called it evolutionary ethics. It's immensely satisfying, as a fan of the obscure thinker's works, to see him vindicated in this manner, but it's also distressing to think that perhaps the horror and destruction of the 20th century could have been avoided if anyone had bothered to read him.

  • The original video is a bit longer, because the original title is not censored: "Morality without religion".

  • i tell you all this, heaven will be full of only the best, we all understand, but we all don't do. the reward will be great and even the animals are being tested, you thought no one was watching! how wrong you were. the test was great because the reward is forever! find the narrow path and stay on it!!!do what is right, wrong will never become right. we all know what the right thing to do is, even the animals know, so what will your excuse be?

  • Baby chimp is great torture specimen

  • Incredibly interesting. Thanks for this talk.

  • the monkeys had no choice, people have a choice. If you are not satisfied, you can go find another job.

  • I’m sorry the philosopher said fairness was INVENTED during the French Revolution??
    Uh, not only were there plenty of uprisings and wars before that time – THINK ABOUT TRADE! Trade happens when I give you my product and you give me yours.
    If my product is a finished Sword and yours is a finished loaf of bread there would be no deal.
    Why, because it would be UNFAIR!

  • I love this work and am grateful to have people who are advocates of the depth and importance of animals. We as humans tend to put ourselves above all other species.

  • This is stupid comparing mammals such as great apes, elephants, monkeys and to think its amazing that they show these qualities, I dunno why everyone is laughing In the audience it's nothing new just shows how out of touch we are with the other beings on this planet 🌏 🤔🙄.

  • Criminals work together to murder, they look out for each other, they are bros, are they demonstrating high morality? I don't think empathy, cooperation, fairness by itself is morality, it empathize what, cooperate on what, fair on what, the purpose the goal makes what's moral and what's not.

  • Then there are those who will insist that only humans have a soul, a mind, an awareness of the self. That we exist separate from the body and are eternal beings, manifested in a relationship to a creator god. So blind to reality are they, that they know only what is imagined. It is far, far easier to imagine a creator in the mind, than for one to be.. So much so, that that we can accept the evidence before us, that we indeed created God.

  • 336 people didn't get a grape.

  • I LOLed when he tested the rock. Like he was saying "There's nothing wrong with this. Why am I not getting grapes?".

  • Jordan Peterson should read more Frans de Waal.

  • just yawned synced up with the chimp 9:45

  • Animals are incapable of morality or morale thinking. This is nonsensical and highly assumptive. He is confusing a behavior with intent, which he cannot know. Also empathy and reciprocity are not the pillars of morality. They might be pillars for Judeo Christian morality but very certainly are not pillars for all morality and there are many examples to the contrary by non Western or pagan societies which also had their own sets of moral ideas and rules.

    Also reciprocity is more about utilitarianism than morality. If you do something with the anticipation that you will receive a reward, that is simple self preservation or greed. Morality is about the ought or should principle or the opposite and why or why not? None of this has anything at all to do with morality.

  • This should be a part of  every school's curriculum.

  • As soon as I saw my brother the wolf as the evil .. I stopped watching

  • I always tell people I have my dog with me I'm a truck driver and sometimes people say oh my God it's a dog as if they're scared of him and I say to them you can learn a lot from this dog I feed this dog he would not bite me but if I feed a human they will stab me in the back

  • All good and interesting but shouldn't we (as a dominant species) aim to be better than apes and be role models for the behaviour that should be set? Just being equal to apes in our standard of morality is no great achievement… We should use our intelligence to weed out injustice and inequality, not excuse it or look for justifications for perpetuating inequality. Until society evolves to the point that we all get the same reward (regardless of our output), we remain no better than apes.
    Capitalism is doomed to fail because it's central pillors are greed and inequality, which inevitably leads to people fighting with pitch forks when the marginalised have had enough of being taken advantage of…

  • Even apes understand that capitalism is evil.

  • Thanks Newt…..

  • Great research! My cats have different dietary requirements due to their medical condition and age. I receive disapproving expressions and long meows when the other kitties don't get the same type of food. Cats also have a sense of fairness, and reciprocal emotions. My dog and cats are also very jealous of each other. If I pet one of them, the others also come to me and try to nudge the others away, so they will get the pettings.

  • Hilarious. But this is not moral behavior; it is immoral behavior. This is how animals, young children, and unregenerate adults act. More than two thousand years of Judeo–Christian thought expose jealousy and envy as social evils. Humanity is called upon to rise above base animal instincts of fairness. Train children to become righteous men and women who reject vain animal passions. Thinking themselves wise, they became fools. Rom. 1:22

  • Of course social animals help and care and even stand up for each other, thats what makes them social. Not much use living in a group if you just hang aroud close to each other but dont engage in any way.

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